Tuesday, 1 May 2018

01. Forfeits

CURRENT STATUS
Incomplete
ABM 23-May-2018



FORFEIT ISSUES
  • Collect all the rules about forfeits into a step by step single regulation, so it's easier to follow.
  • Review the fines (Currently a flat $200 for any kind of game regardless of type.)
  • Review the other costs. (Forfeiting team pays wicket fees and umpires fees.)
  • Make explicit the process for the granting of forfeits. (i.e. no forfeit is confirmed until approved by a motion at a meeting of the ManCom)
  • What conditions lead to a forfeit? e.g. If minimum 7 players are not present at the time for start of play... do we wait 5 minutes? or 30? What if both teams are short of 7 players? Who gets the forfeit? 
  • Points distribution for a forfeit. (Is it maximum points scored by any other team in that round? Is there any circumstance where that is not so? So let's say so.)
DISCUSSION

Forfeits seem to cause confusion especially when it comes to the rules.

Forfeits come in two shapes and sizes.

Often a team will call a game off several days in advance because they know their team members will be otherwise engaged (footy, weddings, interstate trips. end of season lack of interest or some other reason they come up with).

This is characterised by the call off occurring up to a week before the game begins.

More occasionally there will be a team which struggles to get numbers together on a day due to traffic congestion, car breakdowns, mis-organisation, fill in players who get lost or go to the wrong ground.

This is characterised by the team failing to have a minimum number of players (7) ready at time for start of play (say 1pm).

Unofficially, umpires are encouraged to delay the start in such circumstances in the hope that the team short of players might have some players arrive late so that the match can begin.

This often leads to opposition confusion about 'cut off' time (there isn't one) and then 'claiming a forfeit' (it's subject to ManCom approval which can take weeks). I guess there's some minor inconvenience involved also.

There may also be a case for reducing the opportunity of the non-forfeiting team to score maximum points. A delayed start can reduce the time for play and the opportunity to score bonus points. (At season end there is often some anxiety about this due to finals.)
  • If the delay were due to weather you'd probably conclude that it was bad luck.
  • If the non-forfeiting team is playing 11 against 8 (which may include fill-in players) then their chance of scoring runs quickly is increased by the gaps in the field. Also the non-forfeiting team will get full bowling bonus points if the take just 8 wickets rather than the usual 10. An outright win can be achieved by taking just 16 wickets rather than the usual 20.

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---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: (A QSDCA umpire)
Date: 12 February 2018 at 12:03
Subject: (A match in season 2017/18)

To: Mel Lowings <mel.lowings@gmail.com>
Cc: Ab M <maurice19cricket@gmail.com>, Kevin Haley <kevinjhaley@bigpond.com>


Thanks Anthony and Mel.  Fully understand QSDCA position and as umpire we will do our best to explain the situation to the teams involved.

Yet comes around Finals time and teams fighting for points, it will be inevitable that some teams will get a bit edgy.

Regs xxxxx


On Sun, Feb 11, 2018 at 7:34 PM, Mel Lowings <mel.lowings@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi xxxxxx

The first problem is that some players from South Brisbane Juniors play " Junior Cricket " that may finish at 12noon - they then find it difficult to arrive at their appointed ground for their match , prior to 1.00pm .

This has occurred in a previous match with them when they played at Bracken Ridge which was a fair distance to travel . Ultimately , as the official  umpire for the match , you should do your best to find out the reason for the other players not having arrived in time .

It's possible there could have been a traffic accident or a vehicle broken down . The suggestion is that you communicate the reason ( or possible reason ) for the delay in players arriving , with the opposition captain , and definitely away from his players  .

You are correct in that our regulations do not advise you of a cut-off time of when a possible forfeit arises . The start of play is 1.00pm and anytime from then ( should a team not have the minimum of 7 players on the first day of a match ) a captain has the right to claim a forfeit .

As stated by Anthony (ABM) , the Management Committee of QSDCA prefers that this does not happen and so it falls on the official umpire to try to follow the steps mentioned in the first 3 lines of this email and hopefully thereby avoid a forfeit .

Regards


Mel Lowings
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On Sun, Feb 11, 2018 at 5:40 PM, Ab M <maurice19cricket@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi xxxx,

It's better that the game got underway (even if it was a bit late). Forfeits attract financial penalty for the team which concedes them (all wicket fees, umpire fees and a fine).

You're right.There is no definition of cut off time for a forfeit in playing regulations.

In Subbies cricket, it is normal practice that forfeits are not 'claimed' or automatic. Forfeits are subject to confirmation by the Management Committee, usually by a motion at a monthly meeting.

In the case you have discussed I think if you substituted rain for team absence as the reason for the shortened game that there would be little argument... (i.e. bad luck, you missed out because of rain...)

The playing regulations about forfeits are likely to be considered for review ahead of the next association Annual General Meeting in July. (I think that grouping the separate regulations into a single number is an obvious start.) I am keen to hear any suggestions you have or may have heard about that may improve these rules.

See you at the ump's meeting.

Regs,
ABM Sun 5.36p




On 11 February 2018 at 09:08, (A QSDCA umpire) wrote:
Dear Mel, Kevin and all,

I have finished Day 1 of the captioned match.  Not sure if QSDCA will send another umpire for Day 2, but team lists are attached and status of match as per below:

- South Brisbane won the toss and elected to bat
- South Brisbane 10/86 in 40 overs
- Logan City 4/111 dec in 30 overs

So Day 2, South Brisbane will be starting its 2nd inning.

There was an incident, however.  South Brisbane have only 3 players at 1pm, and 7 players at 1:25pm when the game starts.  The 6 overs lost we tried to make up with shorten drinks and tea breaks, and extend the game until light is not possible (to the agreement of both captains).

But a question was raised that, if a team does not have 7 players to start, is there a cut-off time that the team will need to forfeit the match?  For example, if the team can't have 7 players by 2pm, game will be called off and award the match to the opposition?

I don't think I found anything on this in the playing regulations, but if there is please let me know.

The implication is, if forfeit does take place, while the winning team gets maximum points scored by any other team in that grade for the match, it might not be enough for them, say to get into the finals.  If forfeit does NOT take place, and say the game can only start at 2pm, that's 15 overs lost and the shorten game will limit for opportunity for a team to have enough time to chase for outright win and bonus incentive points, again say for getting into the finals.  Either way the team that wants to score more points will be disadvantaged by the lateness of another team.

Appreciate your thoughts on the above.

Regs xxxx






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